Andrew Blake wrote:Good points slygoat, if they implemented a good ff punish system it would fix most of the problems.
There is many was to approch this, here are some:
- massive decrease in score
- less level up xp
- kill tk'er
- lose half health of tk'er
- 4 tk's = kick from server, also ban for 2 hour or rest of day.
You should probobrly add things as, one dude attaking another dude again and again (ff) ban dude who ff's. (Some flaws here I know =/ )
The problem with punish systems is their varying degrees of punishment don't make sense. First of all, if someone TKs you accidentally, you won't want to punish them period, so the first few levels like "decrease score, less xp, whatever" are useless because they'd only punish genuine players who fucked up - the only people who would punish in that case are the spiteful and the griefers themselves.
Then there's the later penalties; again, killing a teammate through the punish system can TEMPORARILY deal with a griefer, but why would you want to kill your own teammate who accidentally hit you? Now you're down two players instead of one.
And of course, having anyone on the server given the option to kick/ban someone who TKs them; if this requires a significant amount of TKs, the damage from the griefer is already done. If it requires relatively few, the griefers can try and get themselves TKed on purpose so that they can get people kicked/banned.
Overall punishment systems are a theoretical bandage solution and don't work in practice.
Also @ Vox, yeah reverse friendly fire has its downsides, but honestly a player who is aware of their surroundings will rarely hit teammates even if the teammate is playing terribly and fighting out of position; while the terrible out of position player will end up hitting teammates ALL THE TIME. So personally, I'd rather take the risk of hitting a teammate once or twice and taking some damage, as opposed to having to watch out for everyone on my team and never be around them when they're fighting because I know they're just going to spam slash and cleave through me, getting me killed repeatedly - sure, with reverse FF, they'll probably still do this... but they'll be killing themselves instead of me, which will make them more careful in the future.
99% of what I post is subjective and not representative of Torn Banner or rationality as a whole.